Session Start: Fri Aug 10 16:13:14 2012 Session Ident: Maki 01[16:13] Are you there [17:31] Hey [17:31] Yes, I'm here 01[17:31] Hey 01[17:31] Sorry i was afk 01[17:31] Kun told me that you wanted to talk to me [17:31] Wait is this IRC or MSN 01[17:31] but wouldnt tell me about what 01[17:31] IRC [17:31] Oh was about to say, why I don't see you online 01[17:32] i dont always have msn open if everyone that im concerned about is on irc 01[17:32] i only use MSN for RO [17:32] Just one sec [17:32] http://pastebin.com/E0VVibfu [17:33] Is the chatlog between Kun and I 01[17:33] Whats the confusion about shinigami? 01[17:33] and you have a server? [17:33] Yes? [17:34] Shinigami were exclusive to my server only [17:34] Wow, youre a fast reader 01[17:34] I skimmed past the small talk 01[17:34] and ctrl+f 'd my name 01[17:34] do i have to read any other parts? [17:35] I'm not sure if your name was used on the important parts 01[17:35] "rai" [17:35] Would be more useful to read it all as the entire issue is there 01[17:35] blah 01[17:35] okay 01[17:37] Whats the issue with dropbox about? im lost there [17:38] Did you really read the entire thing? 01[17:38] Yes [17:38] |: [17:38] I'll try and summarize then 01[17:38] Just the dropbo 01[17:38] dropbox* 01[17:39] He had the files on there 01[17:39] and they are gone now? [17:39] They were deleted under his name [17:39] He says he did not do it 01[17:39] Who's account was it? [17:39] Kun's 01[17:39] And you have the password too or something? [17:39] I think you're avoiding the main issue here either way [17:39] Yes 01[17:39] Im not avoiding 01[17:39] Just want the whole picture [17:40] Ah ok 01[17:40] On dropbox 01[17:40] How can you tell that kun deleted it 01[17:40] Did only you and him have the pass? [17:40] Have you used dropbox before? [17:40] ... [17:40] You didnt read the entire thing [17:40] Please honestly read it 01[17:40] I swear that I did. [17:41] Then how did you miss the screenshots that I posted in that chatlog... 01[17:41] I didnt open the screenshots 01[17:41] sec [17:41] That's how I can tell who deleted them, those screenshots say Kun deleted it [17:42] And date/time [17:42] Lots of files and folders of sprites, some not even his own work (other spriters) 01[17:42] what was the date/time on the deletions? [17:42] It says it 01[17:42] oh 01[17:42] i see [17:42] 8/2/2012 [17:42] All of them are on 8/2/2012 01[17:43] I wasnt aware that he deleted anything in dropbox [17:43] At first I thought it was an accidental deletion, then I realized only select files/folders are deleted 01[17:43] Well 01[17:43] It looks like Kun didnt want you to have them after he wanted to use them for gRO [17:44] If you read the chatlog, he also confirmed they are only for my server 01[17:44] And prolly didnt want you to be mad at him [17:44] That is what we agreed upon [17:44] That is what *I* specifically requested [17:44] You also knew about this as you played the server and I told you about the Shinigami project we were working on 01[17:45] I dont remember that 01[17:45] Also, he says he was working on them when he played TOR 01[17:45] It says your new project isnt TOR [17:45] TOR is a domain [17:45] Project name changed [17:45] Because TOR was bought while I was undergoing training, nothing I could've done to stop that as I did not have internet access [17:46] For future records, TOR was not the name that the Shinigami project started on. It went through a previous namechange bringing the total to 3 (including Ragnafied). 01[17:46] Do you have proof of any of that? [17:46] But on that note: Your project is not TOR either [17:46] Nvm, it seems like this won't be handled this way [17:47] Take care 01[17:47] How should we plan on handling it then? 01[17:47] You and I both know you are swindling Kun because he is naive to the community. [17:47] Kun? I offered to pay him for his services 01[17:47] Proof of that? [17:47] He told me he is too young to use moneygram 01[17:47] Thats odd [17:48] I should show you why? 01[17:48] Because when I asked him if he wanted to be payed 01[17:48] He agreed to Paypal. [17:48] I have his entire contact information including where he lives as that is what he gave me [17:48] When the Shinigami project first started, he told me he has no bank account and no paypal 01[17:48] What does that have to do with it? [17:48] You can spin it anyway you'd like though. [17:48] When I get my primary laptop back we can continue this 01[17:49] So if he wants to sell his work to another server, youre saying he shouldnt because he thought he would give it to a dead project? [17:49] As it should have logs of me showing the Shinigami project to you as well as logs with Kun [17:49] But, you knew that =] 01[17:49] Knew what? 01[17:49] Maki, its -his- creation. 01[17:49] He is allowed to change his mind. 01[17:49] You dont own his work. [17:49] Knew that my primary laptop is under repair so I cannot access logs 01[17:50] -YOU- can twist it any way you want. 01[17:50] Even if he agreed to give them to your server 01[17:50] Which is dead. 01[17:50] At the end of the day 01[17:50] Its his choice 01[17:50] Because its his property 01[17:50] If he changes his mind, that it. [17:50] His work is owned by me as he created it *only* for use by my server. 01[17:50] Thats not how property works. 01[17:50] If I draw a picture for my friend 01[17:50] and I decide not to give it to him [17:50] He gave me it 01[17:50] And I give it to my mom instead [17:51] I have the files, lol. 01[17:51] Really? [17:51] Once again it is owned by me 01[17:51] It looks like the files that you haev [17:51] Yes? Dropbox has revision control 01[17:51] Are the ones public on rA. 01[17:51] If you want to go ahead and make spr and act files out of a png image, thats fine 01[17:52] However, if you plan on stealing the ones that Kun made for gRO, which are more than just the male shinigami sprites (which have since changed), thats theft. [17:52] What PNG? [17:52] Btw, DevilEvil can verify the Shinigami project was made for me. 01[17:52] I made a song for my dog 01[17:53] But I decided to give it to my cat 01[17:53] Oh well. 01[17:53] I changed my mind [17:53] Take care thief 01[17:53] Lmfao 01[17:53] Care taken. 01[17:53] :D