Session Start: Fri Aug 10 16:13:14 2012
Session Ident: Maki
01[16:13] <Raikumi> Are you there
[17:31] <Maki> Hey
[17:31] <Maki> Yes, I'm here
01[17:31] <Raikumi> Hey
01[17:31] <Raikumi> Sorry i was afk
01[17:31] <Raikumi> Kun told me that you wanted to talk to me
[17:31] <Maki> Wait is this IRC or MSN
01[17:31] <Raikumi> but wouldnt tell me about what
01[17:31] <Raikumi> IRC
[17:31] <Maki> Oh was about to say, why I don't see you online
01[17:32] <Raikumi> i dont always have msn open if everyone that im concerned about is on irc
01[17:32] <Raikumi> i only use MSN for RO
[17:32] <Maki> Just one sec
[17:32] <Maki> http://pastebin.com/E0VVibfu
[17:33] <Maki> Is the chatlog between Kun and I
01[17:33] <Raikumi> Whats the confusion about shinigami?
01[17:33] <Raikumi> and you have a server?
[17:33] <Maki> Yes?
[17:34] <Maki> Shinigami were exclusive to my server only
[17:34] <Maki> Wow, youre a fast reader
01[17:34] <Raikumi> I skimmed past the small talk
01[17:34] <Raikumi> and ctrl+f 'd my name 
01[17:34] <Raikumi> do i have to read any other parts?
[17:35] <Maki> I'm not sure if your name was used on the important parts
01[17:35] <Raikumi> "rai"
[17:35] <Maki> Would be more useful to read it all as the entire issue is there
01[17:35] <Raikumi> blah
01[17:35] <Raikumi> okay
01[17:37] <Raikumi> Whats the issue with dropbox about? im lost there
[17:38] <Maki> Did you really read the entire thing?
01[17:38] <Raikumi> Yes
[17:38] <Maki> |:
[17:38] <Maki> I'll try and summarize then
01[17:38] <Raikumi> Just the dropbo
01[17:38] <Raikumi> dropbox*
01[17:39] <Raikumi> He had the files on there
01[17:39] <Raikumi> and they are gone now?
[17:39] <Maki> They were deleted under his name
[17:39] <Maki> He says he did not do it
01[17:39] <Raikumi> Who's account was it?
[17:39] <Maki> Kun's
01[17:39] <Raikumi> And you have the password too or something?
[17:39] <Maki> I think you're avoiding the main issue here either way
[17:39] <Maki> Yes
01[17:39] <Raikumi> Im not avoiding
01[17:39] <Raikumi> Just want the whole picture
[17:40] <Maki> Ah ok
01[17:40] <Raikumi> On dropbox
01[17:40] <Raikumi> How can you tell that kun deleted it
01[17:40] <Raikumi> Did only you and him have the pass?
[17:40] <Maki> Have you used dropbox before?
[17:40] <Maki> ...
[17:40] <Maki> You didnt read the entire thing
[17:40] <Maki> Please honestly read it
01[17:40] <Raikumi> I swear that I did.
[17:41] <Maki> Then how did you miss the screenshots that I posted in that chatlog...
01[17:41] <Raikumi> I didnt open the screenshots
01[17:41] <Raikumi> sec
[17:41] <Maki> That's how I can tell who deleted them, those screenshots say Kun deleted it
[17:42] <Maki> And date/time
[17:42] <Maki> Lots of files and folders of sprites, some not even his own work (other spriters) 
01[17:42] <Raikumi> what was the date/time on the deletions?
[17:42] <Maki> It says it
01[17:42] <Raikumi> oh
01[17:42] <Raikumi> i see
[17:42] <Maki> 8/2/2012
[17:42] <Maki> All of them are on 8/2/2012
01[17:43] <Raikumi> I wasnt aware that he deleted anything in dropbox 
[17:43] <Maki> At first I thought it was an accidental deletion, then I realized only select files/folders are deleted
01[17:43] <Raikumi> Well
01[17:43] <Raikumi> It looks like Kun didnt want you to have them after he wanted to use them for gRO
[17:44] <Maki> If you read the chatlog, he also confirmed they are only for my server
01[17:44] <Raikumi> And prolly didnt want you to be mad at him
[17:44] <Maki> That is what we agreed upon
[17:44] <Maki> That is what *I* specifically requested
[17:44] <Maki> You also knew about this as you played the server and I told you about the Shinigami project we were working on
01[17:45] <Raikumi> I dont remember that
01[17:45] <Raikumi> Also, he says he was working on them when he played TOR
01[17:45] <Raikumi> It says your new project isnt TOR
[17:45] <Maki> TOR is a domain
[17:45] <Maki> Project name changed
[17:45] <Maki> Because TOR was bought while I was undergoing training, nothing I could've done to stop that as I did not have internet access
[17:46] <Maki> For future records, TOR was not the name that the Shinigami project started on.  It went through a previous namechange bringing the total to 3 (including Ragnafied).
01[17:46] <Raikumi> Do you have proof of any of that?
[17:46] <Maki> But on that note: Your project is not TOR either
[17:46] <Maki> Nvm, it seems like this won't be handled this way
[17:47] <Maki> Take care
01[17:47] <Raikumi> How should we plan on handling it then?
01[17:47] <Raikumi> You and I both know you are swindling Kun because he is naive to the community.
[17:47] <Maki> Kun? I offered to pay him for his services
01[17:47] <Raikumi> Proof of that?
[17:47] <Maki> He told me he is too young to use moneygram
01[17:47] <Raikumi> Thats odd
[17:48] <Maki> I should show you why?
01[17:48] <Raikumi> Because when I asked him if he wanted to be payed
01[17:48] <Raikumi> He agreed to Paypal.
[17:48] <Maki> I have his entire contact information including where he lives as that is what he gave me
[17:48] <Maki> When the Shinigami project first started, he told me he has no bank account and no paypal
01[17:48] <Raikumi> What does that have to do with it?
[17:48] <Maki> You can spin it anyway you'd like though.
[17:48] <Maki> When I get my primary laptop back we can continue this
01[17:49] <Raikumi> So if he wants to sell his work to another server, youre saying he shouldnt because he thought he would give it to a dead project?
[17:49] <Maki> As it should have logs of me showing the Shinigami project to you as well as logs with Kun
[17:49] <Maki> But, you knew that =]
01[17:49] <Raikumi> Knew what?
01[17:49] <Raikumi> Maki, its -his- creation.
01[17:49] <Raikumi> He is allowed to change his mind.
01[17:49] <Raikumi> You dont own his work.
[17:49] <Maki> Knew that my primary laptop is under repair so I cannot access logs
01[17:50] <Raikumi> -YOU- can twist it any way you want.
01[17:50] <Raikumi> Even if he agreed to give them to your server
01[17:50] <Raikumi> Which is dead.
01[17:50] <Raikumi> At the end of the day
01[17:50] <Raikumi> Its his choice
01[17:50] <Raikumi> Because its his property
01[17:50] <Raikumi> If he changes his mind, that it.
[17:50] <Maki> His work is owned by me as he created it *only* for use by my server.
01[17:50] <Raikumi> Thats not how property works.
01[17:50] <Raikumi> If I draw a picture for my friend
01[17:50] <Raikumi> and I decide not to give it to him
[17:50] <Maki> He gave me it
01[17:50] <Raikumi> And I give it to my mom instead
[17:51] <Maki> I have the files, lol.
01[17:51] <Raikumi> Really?
[17:51] <Maki> Once again it is owned by me
01[17:51] <Raikumi> It looks like the files that you haev
[17:51] <Maki> Yes? Dropbox has revision control
01[17:51] <Raikumi> Are the ones public on rA.
01[17:51] <Raikumi> If you want to go ahead and make spr and act files out of a png image, thats fine
01[17:52] <Raikumi> However, if you plan on stealing the ones that Kun made for gRO, which are more than just the male shinigami sprites (which have since changed), thats theft.
[17:52] <Maki> What PNG?
[17:52] <Maki> Btw, DevilEvil can verify the Shinigami project was made for me.
01[17:52] <Raikumi> I made a song for my dog
01[17:53] <Raikumi> But I decided to give it to my cat
01[17:53] <Raikumi> Oh well.
01[17:53] <Raikumi> I changed my mind
[17:53] <Maki> Take care thief
01[17:53] <Raikumi> Lmfao
01[17:53] <Raikumi> Care taken.
01[17:53] <Raikumi> :D